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Mr. Foster is an artist who illustrates many genre publications.
[Technical note: from 2011 onward the chat logs appear different, because our W2P guest sessions were held in an IRC-based chat room, rather than via an AOL chat room.]
6/18/12 18:54:23 Opening "Chat Log 6-18-12"
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W2PSushi: Hi again Dale.
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W2PSushi: Is this Brad?
just_lurking: Yes, I think so.
W2PSushi: Or should I call you JL?
W2PSushi: sounds good.
just_lurking: Hey, that worked... tiny little white box down here take words, put on screen!
W2PSushi: IRC is one of the very oldest chat venues, and it remains quite handy.
just_lurking: It may be old, but it's all new to me, never did any of this way back when.
Deluge7: Yes, it is Paul.
just_lurking: For instance, there's a gray line on my screen between two of the postings- what does that mean?
W2PSushi: I guess it helps organize the conversation.
W2PSushi: Helps when several participants are posting, and rapidly.
Deluge7: I'm on Firefox ChatZilla and I don't have a gray line.
just_lurking: Hey, and now you guys are typing in color. Pretty!
W2PSushi: Brad, guess what happened.
just_lurking: The first line is gone, and now there is a new one further down the page... maybe some kind of clue for you to move your eye to in the conversation?
W2PSushi: The lady who is "on the hot seat" this week, is experiencing a massive thunderstorm.
W2PSushi: She got knocked off line!
just_lurking: That sounds painful.
W2PSushi: Hmm . . . scratching my head . . .
just_lurking: If I can't cut-n-paste a meme in now and then, my conversation online goes all to heck.
W2PSushi> Here's an idea . . .
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W2PSushi: Might you be willing to be the guest speaker THIS Monday, instead?
just_lurking: THIS Monday as in the right-now-as-I'm-typing THIS Monday?
W2PSushi: Everyone can hop over here [to this newer IRC room, from AOL's Writers Den], easily enough.
W2PSushi: (From the Den, where I see 5 other W2P folks)
just_lurking: Ha, yeah! If you had listed me in advance, no one would have come- let's go for the ambush!
W2PSushi: Okay, cool
just_lurking: But then, your original speaker (typer?) might get back online, and come in and demand to know what is going on.
W2PSushi: It's cool, we'll just switch places.
W2PSushi: She's a relaxed sort of person.
just_lurking: Hmmm, guess the "just lurking" name really won't fit anymore. Sigh.
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W2PSushi: She already got a bunch of our written critiques.
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W2PSushi: That is also part of our process, for the membership.
Jeff_Corkern: Ha! I have cast my first Web spell!
Rose1533: Ah. I feel better now.
just_lurking: So, if we do this tonight, guess I really can use the excuse of "not being prepared" if my responses don't measure up to past ... typers?
Jeff_Corkern: Didn't think that would work.
Deluge: We'll put you in charge of our Excuse Department, Brad.
Rose1533: I was WONDERING who 'just lurking' was. Now I know.
W2PSushi: LOL Brad, that will not be necessary, I'm sure.
Deluge7: Web spell?
Jeff_Corkern: Getting into this room.
just_lurking: I just came on tonight to see how this thing worked, for when I had an "official" night later. Things have changed...
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W2PSushi: Folks. "J L " is our guest for the evening, Brad Foster.
Deluge7: Hi, Micki. How are you?
W2PSushi: I got to know him via Yard Dog Press, where I sometimes write and he does illustrations and such.
just_lurking: Feel free to leave anytime, now that you know what's going on!
Micki: Confused--forgot my password but this ugly chat room let me in anyway. Probably just to torture me.
W2PSushi: (Isn't Mrs Foster involved, as well?)
just_lurking: How do you mean, involved?
W2PSushi: Not always ugly! Like colors and stuff.
Deluge5: Paul is giving me some competition in the color department.
Micki: My screen is grey and I can barely see the print.
Rose1533: Hi, Micki.
Micki: Paul where di you find the color font?
Jeff_Corkern: Change the color. Paul knows the spell.
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just_lurking: Micki: old guy trick, hit Ctrl and the plus sign...
Rose1533: Micki, I think it depends on the ISP and IRC programs you use.
Josie: I am back. :)
Rose1533: I'm on Quakenet via Chrome and I have no clue how to get colors here or if it's even possible.
Micki: Lurking that didn't work--my PC just let out a yelp.
W2PSushi: Artists are . . . always colorful.
Deluge5: Colors are very easy on Colloquy, but that only works on a Mac.
W2PSushi: <--- using ChatZilla
Rose1533: I tried it too.
Deluge7: They're only a little harder on ChatZilla.
W2PSushi: Anywhoo . . .
Rose1533: I think it changed the size of the font.
W2PSushi: Brad, lots of writers here, in several genres.
Micki: Paul, I thought Renee had her crit tonight--was she held up?
Rose1533: A little larger now. I like it.
W2PSushi: Children's books with cute illustrations, fantasy novels with fitting depictions.
Rose1533: Thunderstorms, Micki.
W2PSushi: So we're very interested in such creativity.
just_lurking: Ummm, talk among yourselfs for a moment or two.. really had not planned to stay online, so have to go do something-real quick-, be right back...
W2PSushi: Micki, we'll trade Mondays.
W2PSushi: Micki, which browser are you using?
Micki: I can't get the screen to move up.
Micki: Google chrome.
W2PSushi: All of them, that I know of, have Prefs to adjust the font size.
Rose1533: Went by my local B&N for the first time in a long while. My books (3 copies) aren't there anymore. I was hoping for good news, but alas, none have sold. They had no clue why they weren't where they should have been. ::::sigh::::
Deluge7: Never tried to enter IRC using Google Chrome.
W2PSushi: Yes, something (on Windows keyboards) and the + sign, increases the font for Chrome.
Jeff_Corkern: I'm on Chrome. Working all right.
Deluge7: Carol, Did they sell them?
just_lurking: Okay, I'm back... did you miss me terribly?
Micki: Hang in there Rose--B&N usually keeps them for a while before sending them back.
Rose1533: Like it says, none were sold.
Micki: Yes, Lurking--I sniffled until I ran out of tissues.
W2PSushi: On my Mac keyboard it's Command and +.
Rose1533: My screen isn't scrolling now. I have to do it myself sometimes. What's up?
just_lurking: I can see I'm going to regret writing in that "just lurking" name... just wanted to be honest.
Micki: They should have kept them but they are treading on thin ice financially too.
Rose1533: And my keyboard is still sometimes too sensitive. Sorry for the double 'o'.
just_lurking: It's chaos! CHAOS, I tells ya!
Micki: Are we having fun yet? :)
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just_lurking: I am!
Micki: Well if you are then that's okay. Lol
just_lurking: I think I'm starting to get the hang of reading this... there are a couple of different conversations going, and they overlap, and you have to track which reply goes to which previous comment...
W2PSushi: Shall we pelt Mr. Foster with questions?
Micki: Don't be cruel Paul.
Jeff_Corkern: What has he drawn I might know?
just_lurking: "Pelt"? Damn, this IS a writer's group!
W2PSushi: Yes, that is the one skill to develop for these online chats.
Rose1533: It always works that way, Mr. Foster.
Micki: Lurking--we never said it was a good writer's group.
just_lurking: Writers? Writer's? I'm in a rom with writers, and my horrible misuse of the apostrophe is going to get me killed...
Rose1533: And several of us are published too.
Jeff_Corkern: Pelt, bombard, pester, heckle, drill . . .
fjm3eyes: This IRC thing is okay on Firefox.
just_lurking: Yeah, an ad!
W2PSushi: Don't worry, I'll send you a bill, later.
Rose1533: That's your web-site?
just_lurking: Ha! Try to get blood from a turnip-- or money from a starving artist.
Micki: Frank I should have used my Firefox although this isn't too bad--I'll get used to being blind.
Rose1533: Are you the only one or is it a group of artists at that site?
Josie: I am using firefox. :)
W2PSushi: Adam should be here, for as you can see, Brad also does comics and graphic novel type artistry.
just_lurking: Yes, I set up a pubbing company mumble-mumble decades ago to do art and comics by both myself and other folks. Jabberwocky Graphix.
just_lurking: It's just me. I've pulled back from publishing anything beyond my own art prints for the last decade. Changes in the markets, etc etc.
Micki: Really, Bradd, I reviewed on graphic novel by Diana Gabaldon--what a trip that was.
W2PSushi: Micki reviews for the NYT Review of Books -- no sluch, she.
just_lurking: No, I like sluch. Google it, it's probably something in Polish that we'd all be embarrassed to read...
W2PSushi: What got you started with this?
Micki: New York Journal of books and rviewing a graphic was a little difficult, since I had read the original book--a help actually.
just_lurking: You mean drawing in general, or working professionally?
W2PSushi: Both? (Hey, I'm brash)
just_lurking: Well, for the first part, I like to say it's not that I started. I just never stopped. We all draw when we're little, but at some point, usually when someone tries to give us some helpful advice on how to make our drawings better, we give up.
just_lurking: I just kept at it.
Micki: The only graphic book I read was drawn by an oriental artist but the book was about scottish Highlanders who now all looked oriental.
just_lurking: The second part might be a bit more involved, but the short answer would be-- figured in my early twenties if I didn't take a shot at it, I never would.
just_lurking: Quit the steam-cleaning furniture job I had, worked for a few months at the art, made a few dollars to pay for next few months...and been doing it ever since.
Micki: Brad now's the time to be in it as it's getting really popular.
W2PSushi: How did you run across Selina and the Yard Dog crew?
just_lurking: There are good times and bad. You learn not to get overly excited when something that pays well comes your way. Save it, hold it for the lean times.
Jeff_Corkern: Making money drawing pichers would seem to be impossible.
Jeff_Corkern: But people do it.
just_lurking: Probably hooked up at a convention here in Texas, or up in Oklahoma. Cons are good places to do face-to-face with publishers.
just_lurking: You have to go out there and actively push to find places to sell your work. I'm still always looking for new places.
W2PSushi: My best drawings were doodles, unplanned, done while in the midst of my phone sales shift.
Rose1533: Brad, you're in Texas?
Micki: Jeff my brother is an artist in Canada and he makes 1000 dollars a painting--and they are odd works.
just_lurking: That's where the best ideas, the new ones come from. When you're not trying, just playing. A lot of my pieces started as doodles.
W2PSushi: Micki, I did not know this.
Micki: Paul, I do stick figures, cats and elphants and that's it.
just_lurking: Yeah, I live in, as they say, the DFW Metro area.
Micki: And none well.
Rose1533: So do I!
just_lurking: Congrats to your brother Micki, is he getting that for his original art? It's a whole different market, selling the art itself, over doing illustration work.
Micki: Paul I don't tell you everything. Lol
Rose1533: Incidentally, Micki's brother has a web-site and I've seen his work on there. Very good.
W2PSushi: I met an artist named Stu Shepherd at the BayCon conveniion.
just_lurking: There is a cartoonist named Matt Feazell whose carved a little career for himself over the years out of doing "just" stick figure comics.
Micki: Yes, Brad, he sells out faster than he can paint--He paints house and scenes but all wavy like you came home drunk and the roon is spinning.
W2PSushi: Now we have one of his numbered prints, "Aquaria's Grotto," in our master bathroom.
Micki: could spell if I could see--well maybe not.
just_lurking: An artist should create however they want-- then, if lucky, you'll find others who like it and want to enjoy it themselves.
Rose1533: Exactly. Only if you paint on commission might you have to 'follow the rules' as it were.
W2PSushi: What's that comic, popular with nerds, that's just stick figures. The name is four letters, capitalized.
Micki: Brad he's colorblind which makes for some odd color combinations that are really awesome that he doesn't see that way.
just_lurking: Oh yeah, and now he's making a live-action movie based on them! http://home.comcast.net/~mattfeazell/
Rose1533: And even then, they might want it the way you do it. One can hope.
Micki: I'd check out that site but if I leave I may not get back in.
W2PSushi: Oh yeah, it's xkcd.
Rose1533: I did a story for our church newspaper and it got edited before it went to print--without me seeing the editing.
just_lurking: Right click on the link, and open in a new window. When you get bored of this, you can pop over it, then come back here later.
Jeff_Corkern: Right-click, select 'open in separate tab.'
just_lurking: xkcd toons are amazing!
Rose1533: That was a long time ago. Made me feel like I looked foolish. That's how bad the editing was.
Micki: Normal people can, Brad, not me as all here will attest to.
just_lurking: I like that he goes from these simple, quickie things, then will put up something that he clearly had to spend a whole week on. He makes the art fit the idea. And lots of good material there.
W2PSushi: Micki, I always open a second browser window -- or boot up a different browser.
Micki: Paul I already have explorer jealous over Chrome google and battling it out.
just_lurking: Rose, always tough when yuo get an editor who insists on making changes without checking with you. Good editors we want to keep working with!
Rose1533: Well, it wasn't my book. just a church newspaper.
just_lurking: Hey, just noticed all those names up in the upper right.... are they still here? Are they cowed by the awesomeness of this moment?
Micki: Brad , as editors they have that right--I write for newspapers and when not lazy they do it all the time.
W2PSushi: Some folks are simply more talkative.
just_lurking: Rose, still, would seem if the changes were enough for you to notice, would be the kind of thing they would, just out of courtesy, run by you first.
W2PSushi: Some have kids at home, reasons to go dashing off in ten directions at once.
Rose1533: In my case, they changed the meaning of something I wrote. That's what ticked me off.
Micki: Ahem, Paul
Deluge5: I'm still here, just didn't have any comments on artwork or graphic novels.
just_lurking: Rose, there you go, it wasn't a little thing, so it should have been checked with you.
Deluge5: I'm glad you are able to do such things.
just_lurking: Aw, but there has been little talk of artwork or graphic novels. Tell us what you would like to talk about.
Micki: Rose I know--they did that to me by switching one word which changed the context of the article--just because they can.
Rose1533: The format of the church newspaper is totally different now. I doubt it would happen again. That was 30 years ago when I was a student at TCU.
W2PSushi: Brad, is there a lot of competition?
Deluge5: I've wound up looking stupid when a newspaper editor changed a technical detail they didn't understand, like changing carbon dioxide to carbon monoxide.
W2PSushi: I write for Analog magazine, and they only accept about 1% of the submissions.
just_lurking: Yes, there is. Artists, writers, musicians-- all the creative outlets, it's hyou and thousands of others, hoping to get seen.
Jeff_Corkern: I am a chemist, btw.
Micki: Right Dale--that's madddening as readers think it's us.
W2PSushi: Is the field of art so busy, or do you have more elbow room?
Oliviajweston: I'm here. Just trying to keep up with the different conversations.
Micki: Brad, what type of graphics do you do and do you illustrate fro books or magazines?
Jeff_Corkern: ---and NONE of mine . . .
just_lurking: "btw" I know it's "by the way", but my brain always stats it "bacon tomatoe" then seizes up....
W2PSushi: I remember, a young man I know, he paid $3000 for a space in a booklet, to get distributed to the Moves and Shakers. Good artwork, too.
Rose1533: Do you know other local artists? I have a local one (husband of a school friend of mine) working on some illustrations for my second book.
Josie: watching and reading
W2PSushi: But he says, that booklet did not generate a single call.
just_lurking: I think I have more opportunity as an artist. I do illustration, but also comics and cartoons, and I can make prints of my work and sell at art festivals. So while any one area may not be enough to make a living from, if I put a lot of them together, i can usually cover my bills.
Micki: Jeff, the only subject I almost failed--still don't know what was in the mystery flask.
W2PSushi: Micki, if you drank it you'd be a werewolf today.
just_lurking: I send out samples constantly, but over the years, if I get -any- sort of response from 5% of those, even if just to acknowledge getting it, that's a good return. You get the work by pushing..and luck.
W2PSushi: Got to persevere, eh?
Rose1533: Same with a POD book.
Micki: And how do you know I'm not?
W2PSushi: Good point . . .
Rose1533: Marketing is key and I'm a lousy salesperson.
just_lurking: I had my experiences as a writer as well, way back in the seventies while still in college, did a half dozen or so of those books... you know, ":those" books... the kind men like....
W2PSushi: Yeah, there are only a handful of pro markets for science fiction, and several thousand very talented writers in the genre.
Jeff_Corkern: As a chemist, I've had artists ask me how to do certain things involving ceramics. Turns out there is a lot of practical chemistry in ceramics.
just_lurking: Rose, toughest thing for most creative people I know is to push themselves. But it's what you have to do to be able to do more with your work if you want to.
W2PSushi: Thank gawd I found a niche.
Micki: Rose you have to sel yourself first to sell your book--took me 3 years to learn that.
Jeff_Corkern: Yeah, me too. I'd go broke selling snow cones in Hell.
Rose1533: I do well at Scarborough.
just_lurking: Sometimes it may not even by that your have to sell yourself- but you raly have to sell that you know what you are doing, that you are professional. It's always a balancing act. Never take rejection personally, just try to find out why, and move on to the next project.
W2PSushi: LOL Brad. Read, pant . . . read, pant . . . only reading for the articles, I swear.
just_lurking: Articles? There are articles?
Rose1533: In my case, I need to finish the second book because it completes the story begun in book one.
W2PSushi: Good if they'll say why, in SF it's rare to get a detailed rejection. (It helps when I get to know the editors.)
Micki: Brad do you ever hold gallery-type exhibits for your work?
just_lurking: What's the number one advice we always hear: if you're a writer, you'll write. I meet a lot of people at conventions who want to spend hours telling me their ideas- for a book, for a drawing, for whatever. But every year they talk about it, and don't do it. Sitting down and just doing the work, that is step one.
Rose1533: That would be cool! I'm local. I'd come in a heartbeat!
Micki: Paul you are naughty tonight.
Jeff_Corkern: I don't do art, but I've been to dozens of exhibitions.
fjm3eyes: right, Brad!
Jeff_Corkern: Was in one yesterday. Cartoons. Chuck Jones, draws Road Runner and Bugs Bunny, others.
W2PSushi: I was never into printed , , , umm . . . adult material. Oddly enough, what of that I did encounter, belonged to a butch-lesbian lady I knew.
Rose1533: Cool! Love Looney Tunes!
just_lurking: Oh yeah, getting feedback is great. And yes, you usually won't get it. That's why you can't take it personal. Do you like every book that comes out? Every best seller? Nope, we all have different tastes. As creators, we can only hope we can find enough people who like what we do to build an audience for it.
Micki: I've written for 25 years but I'm not a prolific writer--just write when I have something to say.
Jeff_Corkern: People hit my story site. Not many, but a few.
just_lurking: I've not had luck yet with actual galleries. But I do a lot of the street art festivals where I can set up a tent to show and sell. It's been a major source of my income this past decade.
Rose1533: LOL! Can't say I'm prolific either and I've been at it just as long!
W2PSushi: My wife and I like those street festivals.
W2PSushi: Went to a big one, over in Alameda, to buy some quality handmade gifts. There were photographers and artists in plenty.
Jeff_Corkern: Yeah, that's me. Something important to say.
Micki: Jeff to get them to come you must visit theeeir's and that is so time-consuming but it's upping my sales.
Rose1533: You ever go to the festivals in Downtown Fort Worth?
just_lurking: I like the festivals because they also get my work in front of an audience that might not know where to look for an artist otherwise. I've gotten some interesting jobs as a result of those. Did carpet designs for a year because a woman saw my work at one of the local shows.
just_lurking: The big Ft. Worth show is Main Street. I did that years ago, but haven't been able to get juried in recently.
Jeff_Corkern: No. I raise hell in different forums with my somewhat-challenging ideas. The ones who are intrigued hit my sites.
Micki: Wow, that's an amazing idea, Brad.
just_lurking: See, there's that don't-take-it-personal stuff again. I was in a show, now I'm not. They don't give a reason why. I'd like to be there, but if I can't get in, I go try somewhere else.
Rose1533: Bummer! I'd like to see your work. Other than on the web-site, I mean.
Micki: Jeff so far I like your ideas--especially on the 'soul"
just_lurking: I do shows all over Texas and Oklahoma these days. I need to work on parts of my website, but I DO always update my show schedule there. You can always chck it to see what shows in the DFW area I'll be at.
Jeff_Corkern: I'm up to 12,000 hits on The Nine Point Five Theses so far.
Jeff_Corkern: Get hits from universities all over the world, too.
W2PSushi: Sounds like we have some web pros here!
fjm3eyes: Jeff, you have somewhat challenging ideas?
Micki: That's awesome Jeff.
just_lurking: See, Jeff is on it--- got to get the eyeballs in the room. And the more you can get, the better the chances something will develop from it.
Jeff_Corkern: I do believe I've created a few heretics, here and there.
Rose1533: Brad, my e-mail is ---. Let me know when and where you're going to be at one of the street fairs in DFW. I want to see.
W2PSushi: And we'll be proud to note that our W2P web site is getting several thousand visits each month.
Jeff_Corkern: Yeah. MORE than somewhat challenging.
Micki: Jeff, the more the merrier.
W2PSushi: (I just added a 'Third World' subgenre category to our web site's Mystery genre section.)
just_lurking: Rose, sorry, I don't have a mailing list. Like I said, you can check the schedule.... just click in every couple of months. Someday I do need to put together some kind of email notice thing....
W2PSushi: Mysteries being written, now, by residents of such nations, not only about them by somebody else.
fjm3eyes: Jeff, anything to do with physics?
Micki: Geeesh Paul that is amazing--not that it's not deserved but that is high numbers!
Jeff_Corkern: Oh, my, yes. It's TOTALLY physics.
fjm3eyes: Oh good!
Jeff_Corkern: A sentient-containing Universe is NOT stable unless its sentients are eternally existing beings.
W2PSushi: The hour has flown!
just_lurking: Woooo.. I don't know what that means, Jeff, but it's damn cool!
W2PSushi: Any more questions for Brad?
Rose1533: It has.
just_lurking: I have one: what the heck is he doing here?
Micki: Brad, I wish you luck and I'll get your site from Paul so I can see your work.
W2PSushi: Bishop Berkeley answered that one. If you were not observing yourself, you might not exist.
Rose1533: Got to go. I'll keep looking at your schedule.
fjm3eyes: no one knows what psysucusts mean. LOL
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Josie: Night, Carol
fjm3eyes: can physicists spell? LOL
W2PSushi: LOL Frank. No spelling needed, just get the equations straight.
Jeff_Corkern: "ON THE SENTIENT CONSTRAINTS OF A SENTIENT-CONTAINING UNIVERSE"
just_lurking: Here you go micki, http://www.jabberwockygraphix.com/index.html or you can just Google my name. Brad Foster will aactuallyl bring my site up first-- even over bradfoster.com, the rat-bastid who stole my name!
Micki: Night guys--this was fun--stay well-glad to meet you, Brad and good luck.
Josie: I wil be checking out your site also Brad.
W2PSushi: Thanks for doing this on short notice.
fjm3eyes: I see Paul
oliviajweston: See you all next week.
just_lurking: If all these people are going to go to the site, I'd better go do some updating on it tomorrow!
Josie: Night, Olivia
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Josie: I also am going to get. Night, everyone.
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just_lurking: This was interesting for sure, thanks for letting me play.
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W2PSushi: Lining up one more guest, a fellow Analog writer.
W2PSushi: Ian Randall Strock, a hard-SF and more.
Jeff_Corkern: Oh, I know that name.
just_lurking: Remember when I said I was new to this? Well... is there a button or something hidden on this page I'm supposed to press to check out?
W2PSushi: We are hoping for many Names You'd Know, to address the gang. And make others famous, in the process.
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W2PSushi: Brad, do that wrong and your computer will melt.
Jeff_Corkern: I just want my ideas to spread. About me personally, rather stay in the shadows.
W2PSushi: Umm, actually, just close the window.
Jeff_Corkern: Dark Hunter prefers the shadows, man.
just_lurking: You laugh, but you've not seen the things I've accidentally done to computers! That's why I asked.
W2PSushi: I mean the browser window, although fresh air is overrated.
fjm3eyes: Jeff, I'll try your site when I get back to Firefox.
Jeff_Corkern: I didn't KNOW it would make the computer catch on fire!
just_lurking: Oh, okay. Well, thanks again for letting me waste your time guys. If you ever put this in your archives, let me know-- got a few friends who would get a kick out of reading it!
Jeff_Corkern: I guarantee you an interesting read. It's all quite simple.
fjm3eyes: Hope so
W2PSushi: I'm three sessions behind in posting, but will get this on the web site. Need a few early days off. Been working up to 14 hours, recently.
just_lurking: I clicked your link up above Jeff, figured I'd go check it out when done here. Which, I think, we are?
Jeff_Corkern: The idea that 'what happens to people when they die' is actually a trivial thing to figure out is shocking. But it is.
.just_lurking: Bye all!
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