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Miss Snark

Miss Snark is an agent and blogger in NYC.


Technical note: This log picks up well before the formal chat session began, yet missed the opening minutes of Snark's visit.


2/6/06 6:47:16 PM Opening "Chat Log 2/6/06"

Ms Snark 1: and he's a good writer
origjasstorm: Well, it'll be an interesting chat when he comes.
origjasstorm: :)
Dhewco: I only called him mid-list because Sry told me too. But he didn't have a problem with it
Ms Snark 1: well...my point was "who is reading your queries, JA Konrath or me"
origjasstorm: Frankly, I'd rather have the rejection than sit there wondering...
Ms Snark 1: ya, me too
origjasstorm: Miss Snark, we think alike. :)
Ms Snark 1: great minds yanno
Rose1533: I neglected to include an SASE, but that was my oversight, and I still got a rejection letter. A rather nice one.
Ms Snark 1: not from me you didn't.
Ms Snark 1: I toss em
Satin Puzzle: <G>
Ms Snark 1: but not everyone is horrid like I am
origjasstorm: You're lucky...
W2PSushi: I just heard from Baen Books
Dhewco: Lithe thinks you're nice
Ms Snark 1: yea?
Dhewco: lol
Rose1533: No, not from you. DAW. They accept unsolicited mss.
origjasstorm: What'd they say Paul?
LithesomeSylph: i do
Ms Snark 1: she's clearly deranged
W2PSushi: another veeerrryyy close . . . but . . .
W2PSushi: for their new ezine
LithesomeSylph: odd maybe, but i'm mostly sane
W2PSushi: and they want to see more! :-D
origjasstorm: I am a bit off, that's not new information for me though
origjasstorm: THAT'S great paul!
Ms Snark 1: that's a good sign
LithesomeSylph: we frozen up here or just quiet?
origjasstorm: Must have had a quiet moment. ;)
LithesomeSylph: phew had me worried there
origjasstorm: lol
Ms Snark 1: ::: breathes heavily::::
W2PSushi: what a roller coaster. I only posted that short-short on Saturday!
origjasstorm: hahahaha......
Recknor: Just quiet. For a change. <G>
origjasstorm: Scary thought....... ;)
W2PLyric: we are the quiet before the storm Lithesome
W2PLyric: getting ready for the chat
Ms Snark 1: <-----storm
Acaciah: i don't know anyone but Jas, that's why I'm quiet, though no one who knows me would call me quiet
Rose1533: <---working on fringe for another shawl
origjasstorm: :)
W2PLyric: Okay, putting on host hat
Acaciah: what is tonight's topic? I'm kind of duel IMing, we're having a chat with our editor
Ms Snark 1: <----has been on the lunatic fringe IN a shawl
Acaciah: in another window
Rose1533: I made one for Lyric.
W2PLyric: I know those of you who are not familiar with our rules in Writing to Publish may not like this, but we request that everyone switch to Arial, plain black font, without bolding
origjasstorm: :::::::drumroll for Lyric:::::::::::
W2PLyric: for the rest of the chat
W2PLyric: it is very important that you can see me
W2PLyric: and that everyone can see Ms. Snark
Ms Snark 1: can you see this?
W2PLyric: who I will ask to change to a colored bold font
Ms Snark 1: oh
Ms Snark 1: ok
Ms Snark 1: hold on
LithesomeSylph: pink or something
Satin Puzzle: we're to get nekked?
Ms Snark 1: well
Satin Puzzle: ah..
Ms Snark 1: there's this
W2PLyric: Please, Jo, if you don't mind
W2PLyric: that's fine, Ms. Snark
JerseyGirl331: like this?
Satin Puzzle: LOL don't mind..
Rose1533: Black, Annie
W2PLyric: I want everyone to be able to follow the conversation
JerseyGirl331: oops
JerseyGirl331: there
JerseyGirl331: like that?
Rose1533: Yeah, 'fraid so.
LaTina11868: is this ok?
Ms Snark 1: can everyone see this?
W2PLyric: We will also be on protocol in just a few minutes, so feel free to get all the hellos
W2PLyric: and everything out of the way
Ms Snark 1: this is geneva bold red
LithesomeSylph: see what?
W2PLyric: yes, that's wonderful
Satin Puzzle: Yes, Ms Snark..nice dress
Ms Snark 1: ok
W2PLyric: She's the lady in Red
Rose1533: Though I've never had trouble with my font before.
Ms Snark 1: I stole it from the goat
Satin Puzzle: lol
W2PLyric: sorry to be such a party pooper, but it really helps everyone follow
Ms Snark 1: blue?
W2PLyric: Red is great
Rose1533: Perhaps, but no one has ever complained about my Book Antiqua before.
Ms Snark 1: is this better?
Ms Snark 1: oh
Ms Snark 1: ok
Satin Puzzle: Oh I liked the red
W2PLyric: no the other was fine
Ms Snark 1: tadaa
Rose1533: Red is better.
Rose1533: Yes.
origjasstorm: Yes, very vibrant... ;)
W2PLyric: Is everyone familiar with Ms. Snark's web site?
Ms Snark 1: <---vibrating in her chair
W2PLyric: if not, I'm going to post the link here a bit early so you can take a look
Rose1533: barely.
Satin Puzzle: Think of that commercial where the woman wears red at the funeral..defiance..<G>
Acaciah: I think I've seen it once
W2PLyric: Miss Snark, the literary agent (Keyword to: http://misssnark.blogspot.com/)
Satin Puzzle: thanks for the link, Lyric
Lightningbug1957: there are a lot of avid fans in this group of that site
G1ft0fgabn0t: Hiya, everyone! Ready to rumble?
W2PLyric: Of course, AOL deletes links in chat rooms, but you can paste the link and get there just the same
Acaciah: merci, that is what I thought :-D
Satin Puzzle: Hi G1
Rose1533: Is Donna going to be here? Or does anyone know?
W2PLyric: Welcome Gabby
LithesomeSylph: well her blog isn't quite as fun as sex, but it's fun, informative and well, were else can my goat post?
Satin Puzzle: we're all taking off our clothes for the chat..<G>
Ms Snark 1: its 12 degrees tonight
Ms Snark 1: im not getting nekkid for no one
Rose1533: It's in the 50's here.
origjasstorm: Yuch... I wouldn't either Miss Snark
Recknor: Sorry, I switched back to Ariel, and them froze up.
origjasstorm: :(
Ms Snark 1: <---sticks tongue out at Rose
Rose1533: I'm in Texas.
Acaciah: i suppose i shouldn't mention that I'm in florida and I have my windows open
Servina Shadows: It's so cold here, I brought my collie babies in...too cold for them tonight
Rose1533: Got any rain for us? We need it!
Acaciah: of course, you can all mock me in July
Ms Snark 1: <-----sticks out something else at Acaciah
origjasstorm: lol
Satin Puzzle: brrr, Lynda
LaTina11868: still waiting on the snow that will never come
OnlineHost: “MsBugs204” has entered the room.
Satin Puzzle: HI June
MsBugs204: Hi Jo
Ms Snark 1: so, what is it that you type when you're finished talking?
Rose1533: Hi, June
Servina Shadows: Jo, IM me when this chat is over
Ms Snark 1: o/o over and out?
origjasstorm: GA Miss Snark
Satin Puzzle: okay
Satin Puzzle: Hi Brag
Ms Snark 1: ky/ bark now?
Ms Snark 1: oh
LithesomeSylph: hi brag
Ms Snark 1: ok
MsBugs204: Hi Rose
Rose1533: ga=go ahead
origjasstorm: :) For Go Ahead
Ms Snark 1: got it
Acaciah: Hello all! :-D
HSTBrag: Gutt iffninckzz Roomies :-)
Ms Snark 1: not YA for Yap on?
Rose1533: Hiya, Brag.
Recknor: Hey, Brag
MsBugs204: Hi Ms. Snark. Its nice to meet you.
Rose1533: In your hosting togs?
W2PLyric: lol, love that Yap on
Ms Snark 1: Hi Bugs, thank you
W2PLyric: should be YO, then
origjasstorm: LOL Miss Snark
Ms Snark 1: oh, right, yes, YO
W2PLyric: WELCOME TO WRITING TO PUBLISH
MsBugs204: Hi Lyric
PHeeren: hi
W2PLyric: Since there are an unprecedented number of people here, so early
W2PLyric: for our famous speaker
W2PLyric: I am now bringing my gavel down and going to get things underway much earlier than usual
G1ft0fgabn0t: We're going protocol as of now, people. Welcome one and all :)
HSTBrag: <--gaveled in by Lyric :-P
W2PLyric: Tonight we will be on protocol which means no questions or comments until we ask for them by opening the floor up to them later in the session
W2PLyric: Thanks Alexy
W2PLyric: Gabby
W2PLyric: okay
HSTBrag: <--donning protocol cape
Hillwithit: Brag - just skip the tight Spandex outfit okay?
W2PLyric: When we open the floor, you may type a ? or ! if you wish to ask a question or make a comment
W2PLyric: when you are done please type GA for go ahead
W2PLyric: so without further ado, I will now ask that protocol be utilized until the chat is over
W2PLyric: thank you
W2PLyric: Writing to Publish is excited to present the famous, incognito author's agent who pens her advice column/blog as Ms. Snark.
Ms Snark 1: Miss Snark
W2PLyric: Ms. Snark is known for her sharp wit and her spot on advice. Join us as she fields questions from manuscript formatting to how much a successful author really makes!
W2PLyric: For more information on our speaker please check out her web site: Miss Snark, the literary agent .
W2PLyric: Please join me in giving Ms. Snark a warm round of applause!
W2PLyric: <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><.
Rose1533: <><><><><>
G1ft0fgabn0t: <><><>clapping<><><><><>
HSTBrag: clap clap clap
origjasstorm: &lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;
NevaWritez: Clapping
W2PSushi: Wooohoooooo!!!!!!!! :-D
G1ft0fgabn0t: <><><><><>applause<><><><><><>
W2PDee: welcome Ms. Snark...did you bring Killer Yapp?
Ms Snark 1: KY is home
LaTina11868: welcome
MsBugs204: Welcome, Ms. Snark
Ms Snark 1: Im at a friends apartment
Ms Snark 1: she has aol, I don't
ABSHRINK: I am in KY
Ms Snark 1: KY is reading your query letters
W2PLyric: lol
origjasstorm: lol
W2PDee: well, give him a rub between the ears when you get home.
W2PLyric: okay gang settle down.
Ms Snark 1: <---settling
Mallie1025: Great to meet you Mrs. Snark
W2PLyric: We have asked people to submit questions in advance
W2PLyric: tonight
W2PLyric: and once we get through with those
W2PLyric: we will open the floor to the audience
W2PLyric: our first question is
W2PLyric: How long have you been an Agent, and what made you choose the field?
W2PLyric: Are you a published author as well, (Not that we expect you to mention any book titles since you are incognito…) ?
W2PLyric: What genre of books do you represent? ga
Ms Snark 1: I've been in publishing for a long time but it's not the only field I worked in
Ms Snark 1: I've been an agent for more than three and less than ten years
Ms Snark 1: Im sorry to be so .. nebulous
Ms Snark 1: but I'm cloaked
Ms Snark 1: and I need to be careful about info that lets people triangulate on my personal ID
Ms Snark 1: Why publishing? wellll
Ms Snark 1: free books?
Ms Snark 1: well, no
Ms Snark 1: actually I have always loved to read
W2PLyric: lol
Ms Snark 1: and I knew a lot about books
Ms Snark 1: and so it seemed like the one place where I really KNEW stuff
Ms Snark 1: and could speak with some confidence when people talked about things
Ms Snark 1: like some guys know all the history of sports
Ms Snark 1: I knew a lot about books
Ms Snark 1: and I love it
Ms Snark 1: so it just kinda fell into place
Ms Snark 1: I'm not a published author of anything other than the blog
Ms Snark 1: I represent all sorts of work, f and nf
Ms Snark 1: clearly I can't spell worth a damn tonight
W2PLyric: lol, me either!
Ms Snark 1: mostly I look for compelling stories
W2PDee: known as internet fingers!
Ms Snark 1: not much how-to
Ms Snark 1: not much "this will cure what ails you"
Ms Snark 1: and not much "Nicole Richie needs a novel" celebrity books
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Love your site, there’s great advice there, and I appreciate the time it took to come up with the responses to all the questions.
W2PLyric: What made you think to start this web blog? How long have you been posting the Miss Snark blog? ga
Ms Snark 1: Miss Snark was born at the end of June 2005
Ms Snark 1: I was palling around BEA (Book Expo America, the big trade show) with my running buddies
Ms Snark 1: we go, gab, hang out
Ms Snark 1: and it was really clear to me then how much I need and depend on their insight for stuff
Ms Snark 1: and we were commiserating about ...ahem...."nitwit writers"
Ms Snark 1: cause we all get a LOT of query letters where it's clear people have good hearts
Ms Snark 1: and they just don't KNOW
Ms Snark 1: they don't have one single solitary clue
Ms Snark 1: but you can't help them one on one
Ms Snark 1: or it's all you'd do
Ms Snark 1: and, silly me, I like eating
Ms Snark 1: so it just came to me
Ms Snark 1: what if there was like..a blog
Ms Snark 1: and I could talk to people anonymously
Ms Snark 1: so they wouldn't 1. take it personally
Ms Snark 1: 2. try to query me
Ms Snark 1: 3. know where I worked
Ms Snark 1: and thus Miss Snark was born
Ms Snark 1: I first started with patented Miss Snark rants
Ms Snark 1: but then I saw Agent 007 ask for questions
Ms Snark 1: and no fool I
Ms Snark 1: I stole the idea
Ms Snark 1: and that really made the blog come alive
Ms Snark 1: so much so that Im making some changes
Ms Snark 1: bringing in another agent to blog
Ms Snark 1: and doing fewer questions out of the comments
Ms Snark 1: it was really out of hand
Ms Snark 1: but it clearly struck a chord
JerseyGirl331: !
Ms Snark 1: and I get at least one email a day from someone saying how much it helped them
Ms Snark 1: so I'm glad to do it and want to keep on as long as I can
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: wow a W2P scoop! (we'll open the floor to comments and questions later guys)
W2PLyric: You say to follow submission guidelines, but often say to put a few pages in with the query or synopsis even if they don't specify such. Why?
W2PLyric: Is it true that you should always include ten sample pages with a query unless an agent specifies for more?
Ms Snark 1: yes
W2PLyric: Even when sample pages are not mentioned in the query guidelines?ga
W2PLyric: (btw some of these questions are compiled from more than one person)
Ms Snark 1: no one can really really know how well you write from a cover letter
Ms Snark 1: yes there is a correlation between stupid cover letters and crap writing
Ms Snark 1: but no one writes good cover letters
Ms Snark 1: or query letters
Ms Snark 1: not even you
Ms Snark 1: so, I say, let people see your writing.
Ms Snark 1: five pages at most
Ms Snark 1: my sense from my colleagues is that they read the pages
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Aside from the SASE (which has had about as much play within our chat group as on your forum (those who will be stubborn will be stubborn!) )
W2PLyric: what do you look for in a submission? How important are those dreaded synopses?
W2PLyric: Would any of the mediocre synopses you posted in your crapometer (those with minor plot points problems)
Ms Snark 1: <-----hangs self at very mention of SASE
W2PLyric: have prevented you from requesting a full read if the actual sample pages whetted your appetite and the writing was wonderful?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: no
W2PLyric: that's why I said aside from SASE! lol
Ms Snark 1: a bad synopses won't kill you if you have good writing
W2PDee: cuts rope...so you won't hang long!
Ms Snark 1: a synopsis is not intended to show case your writing
Ms Snark 1: it shows you have a coherent plot
Ms Snark 1: that the story works
Ms Snark 1: that aliens don't arrive in chapter 14 (now that is a cliche on the blog now)
Ms Snark 1: that you can end the novel in an emotionally satisfying way
Ms Snark 1: i read 1. pages 2. partials 3. synopsis in that order
Ms Snark 1: but if you write well, I will over look a synopsis...unless it shows the book doesn't work
Ms Snark 1: then I'll tell you about it
Ms Snark 1: cause if you can write, I want to talk to you
Ms Snark 1: if you can't, I don't
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: What about critique groups and writing workshops? Would hosting them be a positive in a query?
Ms Snark 1: no
W2PLyric: Should we list college degrees in our query? How about newspaper articles or technical writing for fiction queries?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: it won't be bad, but it's not writing
Ms Snark 1: oh sorry
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: and yes
Ms Snark 1: got that?
Ms Snark 1: all I care about is how you write
Ms Snark 1: where you went to school matters not
Ms Snark 1: unless you majored in pig farming at NYU and are writing about pig farms
Ms Snark 1: telling me you went to Harvard makes me want to bop you on the head
Ms Snark 1: any kind of published writing that shows someone read your stuff, and thought it didn't suck is worth mentioning if you don't have a lot of credits. Once you're published, that's all you need to mention
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: how about on websites?
W2PLyric: ezines?
Ms Snark 1: <---clearly needs a leash
W2PLyric: nah that's saved for killer yap
Ms Snark 1: websites and ezines are ok credits IF IF IF someone else is reading, considering and choosing your work.
Ms Snark 1: you can't just post your own stuff and call it a credit
Sis Dctnry: ?
Ms Snark 1: I can't say "I write for Miss Snark's blog"
Ms Snark 1: cause there's no one editing my work there
W2PLyric: (we will open the floor to questions later sis)
Ms Snark 1: there's not a competitive submission process
Sis Dctnry: k
W2PLyric: Ready for the next question?
Ms Snark 1: it's not a credit unless there was a decision made by someone other than you or your mom etc. to publish your work
Ms Snark 1: is that explained well enough?
W2PLyric: excellent
Ms Snark 1: g./ok
W2PLyric: I have had an essay published in a small, local newspaper (circ 10,000) that is now defunct . . . is it a mentionable credit?
Ms Snark 1: yes
W2PLyric: How important are writing credits to agents? to editors?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: they give us confidence that you have some talent
Ms Snark 1: that confidence buys you some margin
Ms Snark 1: if you tell me you've been published in Glimmer Train, or Sewanee Review
Ms Snark 1: or zzyva (spelling is way off)
Ms Snark 1: and you send me something in second person plural past tense conditional
Ms Snark 1: I'll probably read a few pages
Ms Snark 1: because I have confidence that you chose to do this
Recknor: (ROFL!)
W2PDee: just an insert...please don't IM Lyric, the moderator. If you have a problem or question (non-Snark), IM me or Paul. Thanks!
Ms Snark 1: rather than you wrote this cause you didn't know there was a tense other than the conditional
Ms Snark 1: that's what publishing credits are for mostly
W2PSushi: <-- Paul
Ms Snark 1: plus, it helps when we start yapping to editors about you
Ms Snark 1: and those short stories in odd places can help if they get picked for anthologies, or best of collections
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: At what point should a writer consider having his/he work copyrighted? (ex: before/after the first draft, after the final draft).
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: Insert sound of Miss Snark in FULL SCREECH
W2PLyric: lol
origjasstorm: lol
Ms Snark 1: never
G1ft0fgabn0t: lol
Ms Snark 1: ok
Ms Snark 1: here's the scoop
Ms Snark 1: your work has copyright protection when you realize it
Ms Snark 1: ie on the page, screen, etc
Ms Snark 1: when your work is purchased by Random House to be their lead title
Ms Snark 1: they will register the copyright
Ms Snark 1: if you've been a busy little nitwit and already done it
Ms Snark 1: Miss Snark is going to bop you on the head
Ms Snark 1: cause it really makes things complicated
Ms Snark 1: and the contract people at Random House can scream louder than I can
W2PLyric: (she's been doing a lot of bopping tonight gang!)
G1ft0fgabn0t: tee hee
Sis Dctnry: (giggle)
Ms Snark 1: the only only only reason you'd ever register a copyright is so you can sue for damages if someone lifts your work
Ms Snark 1: unless there's money at stake ie you have a publishing contract, there are no damages
Ms Snark 1: if someone steals my precious words right here off the screen
Ms Snark 1: and passes his work off as "Miss Snark the Fairy God mother"
Ms Snark 1: I can send him a nasty letter
Ms Snark 1: and he has to stop
Ms Snark 1: but since I'm here for free (and what's the deal on no twenty dollar bills anyway??)
Ms Snark 1: there are no monetary damages to stealing my pearls of wisdom
Ms Snark 1: putting (c) on your ms
Ms Snark 1: is the first and most obvious sign of a wet behind the ears writer
Ms Snark 1: don't do it
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: What do you feel are the hot fields right now? How would you advise a new writer to proceed?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: can I scream again?
Ms Snark 1: no no no
Ms Snark 1: no hot fields
origjasstorm: If you feel the need.
origjasstorm: :)
Ms Snark 1: none
Ms Snark 1: zero
Ms Snark 1: here's why
Ms Snark 1: what's hot now, this very cold February day
Ms Snark 1: was a book that someone bought in 2004
Ms Snark 1: Im selling into the Fall 2007 and Winter 2008 lists
Ms Snark 1: we have NO idea what's going to be hot then
Ms Snark 1: and neither do you
Ms Snark 1: unless you have a time machine in which case, I have a few questions, IM me privately, we're going to be good friends
Ms Snark 1: the only thing I can say about trends is you have to know your field well enough to know what's tired and over used
Sis Dctnry: (giggle)
Ms Snark 1: I'm tired of Hannibal Lecter types
Ms Snark 1: and serial killers who prey on buxom blondes cause of past injustices
Ms Snark 1: yawn
Ms Snark 1: yawn
Ms Snark 1: yawn
Ms Snark 1: now if you can do something interesting with that, ok
Ms Snark 1: so it's not so much what's hot, as what's OVER
Ms Snark 1: and even then, if it's over, and you can do something nifty
Ms Snark 1: go for it
Ms Snark 1: case in point: spy novels were thought to be dead after the fall of the Berlin Wall
Ms Snark 1: well, Alan Furst is doing just fine thank yew
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Are there decent publishers left who will consider unagented manuscripts? Is an agent the only way to go?
W2PLyric: Which houses will pay advances and do a decent job for submissions which are sans agent?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: yes
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: dunno
Ms Snark 1: Harlequin
Ms Snark 1: MacAdam Cage
Ms Snark 1: probably some others
Ms Snark 1: as you might imagine, Im not well versed in where you can send stuff without an agent
Ms Snark 1: much like I don't know the places you can go if you only breath helium
Mallie1025: :)
Ms Snark 1: I think smart people know the value an agent brings to the process of selling a book and a writing career
Ms Snark 1: you don't have to have one
Ms Snark 1: you MUST have someone who knows what they are doing look at your contracts though
Ms Snark 1: or you are going to end up selling stuff stupidly
Ms Snark 1: and Miss Snark will laugh uproariously
Ms Snark 1: (Miss Snark speaks of herself in the third person quite a bit?
Ms Snark 1: err...)
Ms Snark 1: not ?
Ms Snark 1: cause she does, no question about it
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Exclusives: If an agent requests a full read do we assume it's an exclusive even if they do not list that requirement in the request?
W2PLyric: Is it all right to say, I am happy to enclose the full manuscript on an exclusive basis for the next month? Does that sound too snippy and will it offend people?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: no
W2PLyric: sorry, couldn't laugh before, I had all this ready to go!
Ms Snark 1: don't assume exclusive
Ms Snark 1: don't' give exclusives if you can help it
Ms Snark 1: don't tie up your work with a lazy ass agent
Ms Snark 1: err.. I mean a hard working underpaid brilliant agent
W2PLyric: lol
Ms Snark 1: to give you an idea, if I send a FULL manuscript to an editor here in NY, they get it for a weekend or five working days
Ms Snark 1: that's IT
Ms Snark 1: I'd no more let those s/vultures/ have it for thirty days
Satin Puzzle: <G>
Ms Snark 1: than I would let them move in with me for thirty days
Ms Snark 1: no one expects it
Ms Snark 1: if they ask for it, a month is more than long enough
Ms Snark 1: none of us are getting any younger here
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: What is the proper way to find a publisher for a self-published novel that publishers had not been interested in the past?
W2PLyric: The genre is unusual: a mystery in a senior condominium.ga
Ms Snark 1: the genre isn't unusual
Ms Snark 1: the genre is a mystery
Ms Snark 1: and the setting isn't unusual either
Ms Snark 1: Elaine Viets does it
ABSHRINK: ?
Ms Snark 1: and unless that novel sold more than 2000 copies, a publisher isn't going to be interested
Ms Snark 1: why would they be?
W2PLyric: Abe, save your questions for later when we open the floor thank you
Ms Snark 1: what's the?
Ms Snark 1: oh
Ms Snark 1: sorry
ABSHRINK: I did it agent interested?
Ms Snark 1: what?
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: How long should an agent have to sell your manuscript? At what point should you dissolve the relationship.
W2PLyric: ga
ABSHRINK: my book I am 81 can't wait
Ms Snark 1: then self publish
Ms Snark 1: nothing wrong with that
Ms Snark 1: ok
W2PLyric: Paul, would you please discuss this with Abe a bit further
ABSHRINK: i it
G1ft0fgabn0t: Abe, please wait till later for questions
W2PLyric: please go ahead Ms Snark
ABSHRINK: sorry
Ms Snark 1: How long
Rdpelleg: ?
Ms Snark 1: I have manuscripts I haven't sold
W2PLyric: (we are in protocol gang and will take questions if there is time, at the end of the session.)
Ms Snark 1: three or four years worth of rejections
Ms Snark 1: my clients haven't fired me yet
Ms Snark 1: if your agent is doing a good job
Ms Snark 1: why would you?
Ms Snark 1: it's not like you'll get another shot with someone else
Ms Snark 1: some books don't sell
Ms Snark 1: it perplexes me
Ms Snark 1: really good ones too
Ms Snark 1: but that doesn't mean you don't keep trying
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: What is the best way to get a well connected agent who will be able to sell your manuscript? ga
Ms Snark 1: write well
Ms Snark 1: really really well
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: An agency I'm interested in said they are looking for "experienced"
W2PLyric: fiction writers. Do they mean published? How can I best convince them to represent me?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: yes
Ms Snark 1: be published
Ms Snark 1: write well
Ms Snark 1: I don't mean to sound flip here
Ms Snark 1: but it's really true
Ms Snark 1: good writing is the first BIG hurdle
Ms Snark 1: and only about 25% of my queries fall into that category
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: The Jeff Herman book only includes agents who choose to participate. A few are a bit shaky in reputation and
W2PLyric: many high end agents aren't even listed. It also appears that not all good agents are members of AAR (we often
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W2PLyric: hear that fees are too high or you have to be an agent for a period of time before being accepted) -- is this
W2PLyric: true? Where can we find the best up to date listing of agents who are seeking clients and have the time to
W2PLyric: represent them. What is the best way to research agents who really want to see our work and are legitimate?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: Publishers Marketplace
W2PLyric: (compiled questions are long!)
Ms Snark 1: $20 a month
Ms Snark 1: best value in the biz
Ms Snark 1: you'll see the PM websites of agents
Ms Snark 1: and who's making deals for whom
Ms Snark 1: the high end agents have very full lists
Ms Snark 1: and take clients only be referral
Ms Snark 1: they don't want those 100 queries a week like I get
Ms Snark 1: Not all good agents belong to AAR
Ms Snark 1: the only crucial thing to ask is whether the agent subscribes to the code of ethics
Ms Snark 1: anyone who says they don't belong cause of the money is lying
Ms Snark 1: it's cause they don't qualify
Ms Snark 1: and yes, Jeff doesn't vet the list I don't think
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Can you please go over manuscript formatting. Courier seems to be a lighter print than several others,
W2PLyric: is it truly the font agents and editors prefer? What is the current standard for MS formatting? It seems to have
W2PLyric: changed recently, including the number of spaces between sentences and the notation (like asterisks), if any, for
W2PLyric: a scene break. Or is just being consistent enough? Will using an older format (more scene break double spaces or
W2PLyric: asterisks) ruin your chances of being accepted or published? ga
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: you're thinking of two separate things here
Ms Snark 1: most agents only care if you put the ms on white paper with 1 inch margins in a readable font
Ms Snark 1: how many spaces between sentences is immaterial
Ms Snark 1: (but two is correct)
Ms Snark 1: However
Ms Snark 1: when you sell your work
Ms Snark 1: the publisher will swoop down with manuscript formatting that will make you weep
Ms Snark 1: and each one is different
Ms Snark 1: don't worry about it till then
Ms Snark 1: cause they'll help you fix it
Ms Snark 1: or scream at me to help you fix it
Ms Snark 1: but the deal is already done
Ms Snark 1: And they've forked over the dough
Ms Snark 1: so we're all motivated to help you format
Ms Snark 1: to just send it to me though, don't worry
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Since your industry uses Word so much, are you aware of any problems with fonts changing? (many of us are having problems)
W2PLyric: and is there a fix? We've already tried all the patches and updates available at Microsoft. ga
Ms Snark 1: there is?
Ms Snark 1: I get ms pages in word all the time
Ms Snark 1: no problemo
Ms Snark 1: sorry, i'm of no help on that one
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: What questions do people NOT ask you that they should be asking? Answers too, please!
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: LOL
Ms Snark 1: Ask how an agent structures their biz
Ms Snark 1: LLC, corp, sub chapter s, something
Ms Snark 1: a sole prop is not a good biz choice
Ms Snark 1: and you want to ask what happens if the agent gets hit by a bus
Ms Snark 1: no one has ever asked me that
origjasstorm: lol
Ms Snark 1: and if they did I have a list of names of people who would call them and say 'ding dong the wicked snark is dead"
Ms Snark 1: and then tell them what happens next
Ms Snark 1: and I'd ask an agent if she loved her work
Ms Snark 1: cause yanno
Ms Snark 1: I don't want to work with anyone who doesn't
Ms Snark 1: g/a
origjasstorm: ?
W2PLyric: Thank you so much for answering all these questions
Hillwithit: ?
G1ft0fgabn0t: ?
Ms Snark 1: sure
Ms Snark 1: glad to
W2PLyric: we will now throw open the floor to questions!
W2PLyric: ?
W2PLyric: if that's okay?
Ms Snark 1: ::: steps back from hole in floor:::
Ms Snark 1: sure
W2PLyric: Jas please go ahead
Ms Snark 1: lay on McDuff
origjasstorm: What perks can an agent ask for when negotiating a contract for the writer?
W2PSushi: ?
W2PLyric: Ms. Snark would you please answer Jasmine's question first
Ms Snark 1: sure
W2PLyric: then we'll get to hill
Ms Snark 1: who's jasmine?
W2PLyric: origjas
Ms Snark 1: ah
W2PSushi: origjasstorm
Ms Snark 1: ok
origjasstorm: I am -- What perks can an agent ask for when negotiating a contract for a writer
Ms Snark 1: what perks
Dhewco: the one with the hard to read print
Ms Snark 1: well, there's always money
Ms Snark 1: escalator clauses
W2PLyric: please remember to type ga people when done with the questions
Ms Snark 1: best seller clauses
Ms Snark 1: better percentage splits
Ms Snark 1: first born child summer camp fees
Ms Snark 1: oh wait
Ms Snark 1: not that one
Satin Puzzle: lol
W2PLyric: lol
Rose1533: Rats!
Ms Snark 1: ya
Ms Snark 1: second book deals
Ms Snark 1: all sorts of things
RBOZO55: ?
Ms Snark 1: it's fun
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: hill ga
W2PLyric: please repost your question
W2PLyric: I was a full time working Hollywood screen/TV writer for 25 years. Now, when trying novels, when I mention that in letters to agents, it seems to work against me;
W2PLyric: is there a NY prejudice against former screenwriters trying to write novels?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: Screen writers tend to make lousy novelists
Ms Snark 1: have you noticed that?
Ms Snark 1: I sure have
Hillwithit: enough so that I should seriously HIDE it?
PHeeren: ?/!
Ms Snark 1: it's two separate skill sets
Ms Snark 1: I don't think people ding you cause you were a screen writer
Ms Snark 1: I think they don't like your writing cause you write like a screen writer
Ms Snark 1: of course...I haven't seen your writing
Ms Snark 1: maybe you send stuff in BODONI BOLD font
Ms Snark 1: or your name is Saddam Hussein
Ms Snark 1: but barring weird stuff
Ms Snark 1: my guess is you write like a screen writer
Ms Snark 1: not a novelist
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Gabby please ga
G1ft0fgabn0t: What do you think makes a writer successful professionally and financially, and what kind of what remuneration should they expect a year for fiction and/or nonfiction?
G1ft0fgabn0t: g/a
Ms Snark 1: impossible to answer
Hillwithit: that's everyone's guess - when it's in their head - my question is: is this enough of a prejudice to literally omit it?
Ms Snark 1: only a writer can answer that for him/herself
Ms Snark 1: expect no money ever, and be pleasantly surprised
Ms Snark 1: that's not exactly as much of a joke as I wish it was
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Hill we are still in protocol
W2PLyric: I guess I am next
G1ft0fgabn0t: Thank you, Ms Snark
W2PLyric: I'm asking on behalf of another member who is not here. She has been approached by a non fiction publisher to write a book.
G1ft0fgabn0t: Sry, then HIll
W2PLyric: Should she approach an agent for help? How should she figure out what kind of terms and advance to ask for?
W2PLyric: ga
Hillwithit: ?
G1ft0fgabn0t: Then SisDctnry
W2PLyric: (actually, Tom Pheeren is next, please be ready Tom)
Dhewco: (I've gotta go, thanks Miss Snark)
Ms Snark 1: I can't answer questions about a specific book without seeing it
Ms Snark 1: It would be insanely irresponsible to tell her to ask for $50,000 (a perfectly fine advance at Random House) from a University Press
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Ms Snark 1: and each publisher has different contracts
Ms Snark 1: Im sorry I can't answer that question
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Tom ga
Ms Snark 1: yes, she needs an agent
PHeeren: I am trying to get my children's pix book published but I'm afraid my disabilities might turn off most publishers and editors because they favor "normal" writers over writers with disabilities. well, what do you think of my question
PHeeren: ? is that true? ga
Ms Snark 1: disabled? are you...criminally insane? incarcerated?
Ms Snark 1: other than that, no one cares
PHeeren: I am disabled, ma'am
Ms Snark 1: honest
PHeeren: ga
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Sis you are next please be ready
Ms Snark 1: no one cares
Ms Snark 1: honest
W2PLyric: sis ga
Sis Dctnry: OK -
Ms Snark 1: if you can write, I don't care if you are abled, disabled, or a dog
Ms Snark 1: g/a
Satin Puzzle: <G>
Sis Dctnry: Are you accepting queries at this time?
Ms Snark 1: like...now?
Ms Snark 1: here?
Ms Snark 1: cause no
Hillwithit: ?
Ms Snark 1: at the agency, yes
W2PLyric: (sushi you are next)
Sis Dctnry: YES, at agency
Ms Snark 1: ones with goat spit particularly
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: sushi ga
G1ft0fgabn0t: ROFL
W2PSushi: (Not a SASE question!) In your blog you advised people to "not ask for the [full] manuscript back," assuming it's been requested by an agent. They cost a lot to print! Can you please clarify? Thanks.
LithesomeSylph: bwhahaha
Ms Snark 1: well
Ms Snark 1: you can ask for them back I guess
Ms Snark 1: I won't send it
W2PLyric: (even with postage attached?)
Ms Snark 1: if you can't afford the cost of business
Ms Snark 1: you aren't a candidate to BE in business
Ms Snark 1: this is a business
W2PSushi: an Editor told me, it's a hassle to go to the Post Office and they'll just get tossed
Ms Snark 1: yes, even with postage
Ms Snark 1: yes
Ms Snark 1: that's quite right
W2PLyric: RBozo you are next be ready
W2PSushi: but then, maybe this should be specified in printed and posted agency guidelines???
Ms Snark 1: anything over 16 ounces has to be taken to the post office
W2PSushi: g/a
Ms Snark 1: now, here in NYC
Ms Snark 1: we do NOT DRIVE
Ms Snark 1: we walk
Ms Snark 1: down the stairs to the subway
Ms Snark 1: UP the stairs to the street
Ms Snark 1: down the block to the post office
Mallie1025: ?
Ms Snark 1: THEN we stand in line
Ms Snark 1: now, you can imagine
Ms Snark 1: I'm sure
Ms Snark 1: how much
Ms Snark 1: how very much I don't want to do this
Ms Snark 1: so...I don't
W2PDee: lol...
Ms Snark 1: I'll be upfront and tell you this
Ms Snark 1: I'll post it on my website
Ms Snark 1: I'll tell you if you ask
W2PSushi: I understand -- found out the hard way. Let newbies know. :-) g/a
Ms Snark 1: I'll beg yo NOT to send the postage
Ms Snark 1: what I won't do is use it
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: RBozo ga
RBOZO55: If your work is the first in a trilogy, should that be mentioned in the query? I've been told not to. ga
Ms Snark 1: no
W2PLyric: (Hill be ready to post when I ask you to)
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Hill ga
Hillwithit: My screenwriting background seemed to trigger your prejudice too - so my question is: would you advise this is enough of a problem that I should literally omit it in contacting agents? thanks! ga/
W2PLyric: (Mallie you are up next please be ready)
W2PLyric: ?
Ms Snark 1: i'll read your work before I read your cover letter
Hillwithit: my letter of query to agents I mean ga/
Ms Snark 1: I'd suggest you have that novel run through the crapometer or some other frantically cruel editorial process and see if perhaps it's not our prejudice
Ms Snark 1: or run an experiment and just NOT mention it
Ms Snark 1: without seeing your writing, Im just guessing
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Mallie ga
Mallie1025: Can we have your blog addy? And btw we are neighbors--may be looking you up soon:)
Ms Snark 1: misssnark.blogspot dot com
Ms Snark 1: you can google "miss snark" and it's the first thing that pops up
Mallie1025: thanks and I have read Hill's work--he is a novelist of some talent
Mallie1025: ga
Ms Snark 1: g/a
Ms Snark 1: wait
Ms Snark 1: you're moving to Central Park West?
Ms Snark 1: do you have a dog?
Ms Snark 1: ga
Mallie1025: No I live across the East River in Staten Island lol
Mallie1025: ga
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Ms Snark 1: ohhhh
Mallie1025: dog died ga
Ms Snark 1: that's the east river?
W2PLyric: Ms. Snark we have a request for clarification on the earlier question -- will contacting an agent when you've been approached by an editor to write a non fiction book possibly squelch the deal? Second question to follow
Ms Snark 1: learn something new every day
W2PLyric: ga
Mallie1025: maybe not lol
Mallie1025: it is water--I am on an island :)
Ms Snark 1: no, contacting an agent is ok
Ms Snark 1: editors LIKE having a good agent on board
Ms Snark 1: ask the editor for a referral even
origjasstorm: ?
W2PLyric: From another member: What is going on with the midlist? It seems established authors are being fired left and right. How does this bode for the unpublished writer? What can the midlist author do?
Ms Snark 1: I get clients that way a lot
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: g/a
Ms Snark 1: midlist
W2PLyric: (origjasstorm is next, please be ready with your question)
Ms Snark 1: well, if you're unpublished
Ms Snark 1: clearing out the midlist is EXACTLY what you want
Ms Snark 1: cause it makes room for you
W2PLyric: (yes but for how long!)
Ms Snark 1: and the midlist is dying
PHeeren: (good night, guys and see you in chat, paul, ok?)
Ms Snark 1: it makes room for you for two maybe three novels
Ms Snark 1: and then you get fired
ABSHRINK: ?
Ms Snark 1: ga.
W2PLyric: Jas ga
origjasstorm: Would credits with epublishing help in securing an agent?
W2PLyric: Abe please be ready to post you will be the last question tonight
ABSHRINK: are agents interested in magazine submissions?
Ms Snark 1: uh...which question?
W2PLyric: orig jas first please
W2PLyric: sorry
ABSHRINK: not mine
W2PLyric: ABE please wait
origjasstorm: As in a reputable publisher (like elora's cave)?
origjasstorm: ga
Ms Snark 1: epublishing works just fine subject to the "someone picked it out of more than one submission" rule
Ms Snark 1: you can't just say "my work has been published by Elora's cave
Ms Snark 1: you have to educate agents and editors
Ms Snark 1: tell them it's competitive
Ms Snark 1: etc
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Abe ga, and then I'll wrap up with a few others
origjasstorm: Thanks Miss Snark... ga
ABSHRINK: are agents interested in magazine submissions?
Ms Snark 1: no
Ms Snark 1: wait
ABSHRINK: thanks ga
Ms Snark 1: do yo mean making magazines submissions?
Ms Snark 1: or in publishing credits that are magazines?
Ms Snark 1: g/a
ABSHRINK: your no was clear thank you
W2PLyric: Okay, I'm being barraged by questions about the Midlist answer. Does this mean after two or three novels we won't be able to publish if we don't become bestsellers? Will we be dead in the water or have to change our names
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: LOL
W2PLyric: he meant submitting to magazines, Ms Snark
Ms Snark 1: Yes, you're DEAD
Ms Snark 1: no
W2PLyric: yikes
W2PDee: changing name to ....
Ms Snark 1: Im kidding
W2PDee: Ms Snark
Ms Snark 1: sort of
G1ft0fgabn0t: ::: whew:::
RBOZO55: OMG
Ms Snark 1: the publishers need to have authors grow their sales
Ms Snark 1: you cannot sell 10,000 copies a year endlessly
Ms Snark 1: because publishers need to show growth every quarter every year
Ms Snark 1: and a steady seller may be profitable but it's not growth
Ms Snark 1: so they are interested in people who get big
Ms Snark 1: and people who they hope will get big
Ms Snark 1: not people who are nice steady earners
Ms Snark 1: which means
Ms Snark 1: that smaller publishers are going to be getting a lot of damn fine writers
Ms Snark 1: cause small publishers have to turn a profit
Ms Snark 1: but don't have to respond to the stock market, or investors, or a board in France
Cedartree79: ?
Ms Snark 1: so they can afford to publish good steady sellers
Ms Snark 1: so, no you aren't dead
W2PDee: I must go, but want to say thank you for an informative evening...
W2PDee: hope you come back again
Ms Snark 1: but you're going to be published by someone other than Random house
Ms Snark 1: g/a
W2PLyric: Also, does it do us any good to allow really small houses which do not offer advances, such as Quiet Storm or Mundania, to publish our first works when the best we can hope for in sales is around 500 copies?
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: you're welcome
Ms Snark 1: no advances is tough
W2PLyric: about five people have now asked about these houses
Ms Snark 1: it means you aren't eligible for MWA or the SFFWA groups
W2PLyric: please let our beginning authors know what those are
Ms Snark 1: if they don't offer advances they better cough up really good royalties and pay within 60 days of sales
Ms Snark 1: MWA is mystery writers of america
Ms Snark 1: mystery writers dot org
Ms Snark 1: SFFWA s Science fiction fantasy writers of America
Ms Snark 1: they sponsor the Edgars and ...I forget which ones the SFWA folks do
Ms Snark 1: Hugo, Nebula, something
W2PLyric: but with sales so small, and no marketing, is it even worth it?
Ms Snark 1: anyway, they have lists of acceptable publishers
Ms Snark 1: 'and if you are published but not by someone on that list
Ms Snark 1: you aren't eligible for the awards
Ms Snark 1: no marketing???
Ms Snark 1: NO MARKETING???
W2PLyric: or next to none
KrysRoz: lol
W2PLyric: five ARCs
Ms Snark 1: why would you let your work be published by someone who isn't paying you and isn't helping yo market??
Ms Snark 1: what??
Ms Snark 1: FIVE?
Ms Snark 1: INSANE
origjasstorm: (what is an ARC?
G1ft0fgabn0t: arc?
Ms Snark 1: Advanced Reader Copy
Satin Puzzle: How man is sane?
G1ft0fgabn0t: (only five???)
Ms Snark 1: THE tool for getting your work in the hands of reviewers and bookstores pre-order
Satin Puzzle: many
Ms Snark 1: it's stupid to print five
Satin Puzzle: my computer spells wrong
Ms Snark 1: you'd do just as well to print none
W2PLyric: Mallie just asked, how many is sane
W2PLyric: ga
Ms Snark 1: 100
Ms Snark 1: minimum
Ms Snark 1: first of all
Ms Snark 1: you HAVE to send it to ten places
Ms Snark 1: then, because it's a small press
Ms Snark 1: you'll need to really pump up interest locally
Mallie1025: I did not --Satin did LOL
Satin Puzzle: <G>
Ms Snark 1: and in the online reviewing world
W2PLyric: oops sorry Jo, Mal
Ms Snark 1: and you need to get that started early
Satin Puzzle: lol it's not a problem, Lyric
Ms Snark 1: not investing in marketing is STUPID
Ms Snark 1: giving your work to someone who doesn't understand that is stupid too
Ms Snark 1: you'd be better to publish it yourself
Ms Snark 1: and if you want to do that
Ms Snark 1: go to voxpopnet dot net
Ms Snark 1: and talk to Sander Hicks
Ms Snark 1: g/a
Satin Puzzle: lol
W2PLyric: Well, I want to thank Ms. Snark for coming tonight. You really answered a wide range of questions and helped all of us
Mallie1025: ?
Ms Snark 1: Im glad to be of help
W2PLyric: Please give her a great round of applause!
Ms Snark 1: this was fun
W2PSushi: Ninety minutes! :)
Satin Puzzle: ahh..she leaving us? Thank you, Ms Snark..very helpful.
origjasstorm: &lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;
G1ft0fgabn0t: <><><><>standing ovation<><><><>
W2PSushi: YaaahhhoooOOOOOOOOOOOO
Recknor: Delightful, Ms. Snark!
Ms Snark 1: it's 11:30 here
LaTina11868: ty
G1ft0fgabn0t: Thank you for a wonderful and informative session
W2PLyric: She has to leave us sometime, she's in a friend's apartment!
HSTBrag: Clappers :-D
Ms Snark 1: I have to go home and clean the gin pail
origjasstorm: Thank you Miss Snark for an informative session!
W2PLyric: <><><><><><><><><>standing ovation <><><><><><><
origjasstorm: :)
W2PLyric: whoo hoo
Satin Puzzle: lol
LithesomeSylph: thank you snarkie
Ms Snark 1: if anyone wants to submit questions to the blog, feel free
Mallie1025: Do you or Can we get a log of this?
RBOZO55: Thanks, Miss Snark.
W2PSushi: will send out the session log tomorrow
Ms Snark 1: snarkie:-(
W2PLyric: Again, we hope this wasn't too much of a burden for you, and hope you can come again soon
G1ft0fgabn0t: and a BIG thanks to our dearest Lyric for instigating and running the show!
Cedartree79: Thank you Miss Snark
HSTBrag: thanks very much for giving your time :-)
Mallie1025: It was a blast Mssnark!!!!!!!!!!!!
G1ft0fgabn0t: Will post the log this week
W2PLyric: Just glad I made it through without passing out!
origjasstorm: Yeah, we are too.
Ms Snark 1: Thank you Lyric for rising from your sick bed to do this
origjasstorm: :)
ABSHRINK: hank you great nite
NevaWritez: Clapping again
Ms Snark 1: and for holding my paw all the way
Satin Puzzle: Lyric..you did great..
G1ft0fgabn0t: remember to check the logs on our site
Ms Snark 1: this was easy
W2PSushi: I will send a copy of the log to everyone I see here
W2PLyric: wouldn't have missed it for anything, Miss Snark
LithesomeSylph: but i mean it nicely
G1ft0fgabn0t: Writing to Publish (Keyword to: http://www.write2pub.150m.com/w2p.html)
OnlineHost: “Servina Shadows” has left the room.
W2PSushi: but AIM names may not accept such an email (?)
Mallie1025: great pAUL
Lightningbug1957: Good night, all
HSTBrag: Miss Snark, Lyric, thanks again
W2PLyric: Remember if any of you are interested please check out Ms Snark's website
G1ft0fgabn0t: http://www.write2pub.150m.com/w2p.html
Ms Snark 1: you can email my real name
Mallie1025: night guys--wonderful experience
G1ft0fgabn0t: G'nite ya'lll
Ms Snark 1: miss snark at earthlink dot net
Ms Snark 1: no spaces
W2PLyric: and remember Writing to Publish meets here every other week with other wonderful speakers
Mallie1025: wow you have a real name? :)
origjasstorm: ;)
W2PLyric: in two weeks we'll be hosting Ann Crispin founder of Writer Beware
Ms Snark 1: this name deactivates in a puff of smoke
RBOZO55: I've already been going to her website.
Ms Snark 1: Ann is a Saint
W2PLyric: and best-selling science fiction writer
PHeeren: night night
Satin Puzzle: Ms Snark...Do you enjoy your work? <G>
LithesomeSylph: ann is a very nice person
Ms Snark 1: I do
W2PLyric: Miss Snark, the literary agent (Keyword to: http://misssnark.blogspot.com/)
Ms Snark 1: I love it
origjasstorm: I've been a snarkling for quite a wile
Ms Snark 1: passionately
origjasstorm: while..
origjasstorm: :)
Satin Puzzle: It shows
Ms Snark 1: Snarklings Rule!
origjasstorm: :)
W2PLyric: As you can see protocol is officially over
Ms Snark 1: ya!
Satin Puzzle: LOL Lyric
origjasstorm: You've answered on your blog several of my questions, miss Snark
Ms Snark 1: much more...snarkly
origjasstorm: :)
Ms Snark 1: was I nice ?
Satin Puzzle: Thank you for letting me know, Lyric
Ms Snark 1: were you ever a nitwit?
KrysRoz: Doesn't the blog take up a lot of your time? do you have time to er agent?
origjasstorm: Yes you were.. I was never called a nitwit
Satin Puzzle: I get lost so easily..
Ms Snark 1: yes
origjasstorm: ;)
Ms Snark 1: it takes up more time than I can give it now
Ms Snark 1: we're adding people
origjasstorm: The Snarkling Staff?
origjasstorm: :)
KrysRoz: it's a marvelous idea though
Cedartree79: DO you think having a sales and management or VP of a corporation helps you deal with possible agents. I know it is a big asset to be able to sale and market yourself
Ms Snark 1: Agent staff
KrysRoz: Do we get to hear what agency Ms Snark works for?
origjasstorm: Well, I assumed they'd be agents. :)
LithesomeSylph: no
Satin Puzzle: lol krys
origjasstorm: No, we do not
KrysRoz: lol Origjass
HSTBrag: We will have a new expression in our community chats--Snarkahoochies 8-)
RBOZO55: She's afraid we'll hunt her down. LOL
origjasstorm: lol....
origjasstorm: probably
origjasstorm: ;)
Cedartree79: lol char
Ms Snark 1: yea, I"m cloaked
Ms Snark 1: dare I ask what a snarkahoochie is?
W2PSushi: Romulans never had it so good
LithesomeSylph: i think miss snark needs a vacation on the oregon coast
KrysRoz: lol that would be rude, which is to say that we'd all do it
origjasstorm: lol
HSTBrag: You are, obviously :-D
W2PLyric: Just remember gang, it was a Writing to Publish EXCLUSIVE, Ms. Snark is adding agent to web blog!
Satin Puzzle: LOL Brag
W2PSushi: stop the presses!
origjasstorm: :)
W2PSushi: hehehehe
RBOZO55: She said that in her blog.
Ms Snark 1: good night all, it's been a pleasure and a privilege to hang out with you all tonight
Ms Snark 1: Thanks for inviting me
Cedartree79: well night all
origjasstorm: Again, thanks Miss Snark...
W2PSushi: dinner time here
origjasstorm: You're welcome to even stop by some time just to listen to a chat if you'd like
KrysRoz: see you at the post office :-)
HSTBrag: Great Having you Snark
W2PSushi: g'nite all
Ms Snark 1: I don't have aol
Ms Snark 1: thus the heroics of finding me a spot
Ms Snark 1: anyway
Ms Snark 1: night night
LithesomeSylph: good night
origjasstorm: nighters

2/6/06 8:38:14 PM Closing "Chat Log 2/6/06"


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