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Cyndia writes for Mundania Press.
1/24/05 7:03:06 PM Opening "Chat Log 1/24/05"
HOST WPLC Lyric: Okay, time to get started
HOST WPLC Lyric: Welcome to Writing to Publish
Cyncity 1: I am very nervous....but that's normal
HOST WPLC Lyric: tonight we are proud to feature our very own Cyndia Depre/Cyncity1 as our guest speaker
HOST WPLC Lyric: we will be in protocol for the first part of this session, while Cyn presents her lecture, and then we'll see afterwards, k?
HOST WPLC Lyric: Anyway, Cyn had just started writing this book when she first became a member at Writing to Publish, and this lecture is incredibly appropos, because the criticism she received, was that her hook wasn't strong enough, and clear enough. It took a lot of soul searching and hard hard work, and most of all determination and dedication, but Cyn reworked that hook, and received an offer from Mundania Press. her book is due out in a few weeks, and will be available to preorder through the site in a few days at a 15% discount. I urge you all to support her and to read it because it's a fabulous book!
HOST WPLC Lyric: So, without further ado, HEEEERRRREE's Cyndia!
Cyncity 1: Thanks, Lyric!
HOST WPLC Dee R: congrats, Cyn...looking forward to reading your book
Cyncity 1: First...thanks to Lyric for her glowing email yesterday...when I first read it I was disappointed because I didn't recognize myself. I thought I'd been bumped...
HOST WPLC Lyric: lol, a humble author!
Cyncity 1: I'll get the presentation out of the way ASAP so we can chat, okay?
Cyncity 1: Everyone here knows the importance of hooking a reader quickly. Knowing it and doing it are two entirely different things. Slow beginnings have many reasons. Tonight I’m going to focus on one of them. Backstory.
There is a tendency to stuff the first chapter(s) with backstory. Please don’t do that. If we don’t know the character, why would we care how s/he felt as a child when his/her parakeet died? I compare book openings to parties in one way. We are meeting people for the first time. When you meet someone at a party, do you immediately learn their life story? Would you want to? Probably not. We want to learn more about people as we get to know them, and characters are no different. Make your protagonist(s) interesting and/or likeable, and we’ll keep reading. Telling us (and backstory usually takes the form of ‘telling’) the hero/heroine’s life right away seldom intrigues readers. We drop the book and pick up another just like we would avoid a bore at a party.
When I work with new writers, I usually find their opening near the end of the first chapter. Then the writer asks how readers will understand it without the first part of the chapter. That’s the point. We don’t have to understand, we only have to want to understand. It’s up to us to create characters and/or a situation which draws the reader in, and we have to do the fast!
My best advice on openings is to keep backstory to the barest minimum. Any character history we need to know, emphasis on ‘need’, can be slipped in later, teaspoon at a time.
As you develop your characters and plot, ask yourself what you want readers to know vs what they must know. My bet is much of what you think we need to know is really only something you want us to know. You love your characters. At times they feel a part of you. You want readers to love them, too. That’s natural. But if you make them interesting and/or likeable, rather than telling the story of their lives, readers will follow along just fine. They’ll want to know more, and that’s a hook!
Your first line doesn’t have to be a grabber, but it’s nice if it is. If not, have something which makes us want more by the end of the first or second paragraph. Not long ago my husband said, “The clock on your computer is wrong.” I said, “Oh, that’s right. It’s Thursday.” The look on his face was priceless. Later I thought what a great opening that would be. I’d have to read more just to figure out what in the world a clock had to do with Thursday. Your hook doesn’t have to be an explosion or corpse or any spectacular event. Just something offbeat can grab a reader’s attention. Lewis Black does a hysterical routine about one line of an overheard conversation driving him nuts.
He heard one woman say to another, “If it wasn’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have gone to college.” That’s all he heard and it made him loopy. He wanted to know more, and kept hearing that sentence in his head and wondering what it meant. In other words, that one line had him hooked.
The first chapter of Amanda’s Rib is about 800 words long. It’s at my website if you’d care to read it. I went with a first line grabber, then tried to build interest. www.cyndiadepre.com
And that's all I have...whew!
HOST WPLC Dee R: Guess so...we've got comments, so must have hit the spot, lol
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn, you just gave a twenty minute lecture in five minutes
Cyncity 1: Good...now I can take a deep breath and type normal
ESP Sue Z: Cyn, the line that hit me right in the gut (in a good way - taught me a lot) was when you said we don't have to understand right away - we only need to WANT to understand! Love it! /ga
Cyncity 1: Exactly Sue! That's really the crux of it all!/ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn before we do anything else, please tell us your first line of your book, so we can see what you mean
Cyncity 1: First line...If Amanda Winslow had been an only child, she'd be dead.
HOST WPLC Dee R: good opening... love it
Cyncity 1: One of Mundania's readers said that got her...the first line...really drove the point home to me.
Trina Pink: I want to know who sent her my Chapter 1! Just kidding. BTW, I thought your entire chapter 1 was a great example of hooking the reader! GA
HOST WPLC Lyric: keep explaining your point Cyn and then go to Katrina
Cyncity 1: Thank you Trina!/ga
Cyncity 1: Well...look at the line...it's passive as can be, but it's intriguing...
SarahStNy: Lyric beat me to it....your first line, it's a grabber for sure. A great example of how to do it right. ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: if I miss anyone, please IM me and let me know, guys
Cyncity 1: Who could read that and not want to read the next line? That's what I tried for, but that's just me/ga!
Fjm3eyes: In light of former W2P criticism, did your publisher offer you any advice? /GA
Cyncity 1: Fj...no...they didn't ask me to change much at all, and what they did want was small stuff../ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn, let's explore Frank's question a bit more. would you please talk about your original chapter one?
Fjm3eyes: pretty good :)
HOST WPLC Lyric: and why you made changes, what was different about the first and the final draft? ga
Cyncity 1: The first chapter originally dropped you in the middle of a confusing scene...it wasn't in Amanda's POV, and she's the story. So I changed it to get her attitude, her fatalism in...
I don't know if she's likeable immediately, but I do think she might be interesting
Cyncity 1: How in the world did she end up in jail? That kind of thing/ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: Oh, she's very likeable in this version, I think in the previous version, it was too much of a mystey what was exactly going on
HOST WPLC Lyric: do you remember the old first line? so they can see what you mean?
Cyncity 1: Jack stood in front of the judge, knowing the rest of his life would be decided in the next moments...or something like that.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Repost the new first line for comparison, Cyn
Cyncity 1: If Amanda Winslow had been an only child, she'd be dead.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Now I think as something we harp on in critiques all this time
Cyncity 1: It's almost Lewis Blackish...If it wasn't for my horse...lol
HOST WPLC Lyric: you start with the heroine first, her full name, and a whopper of a sentence
HOST WPLC Dee R: It piques the reader's curiosity...why? is the question to be answered, a good one for a beginning sentence.
Cyncity 1: Ask the reader/agent/editor a question...make a bizarre statement...involve the reader!
Cyncity 1: Yes, Dee...make them WANT to know more.
BluePseudoSkirt: Passive format of first sentence is overwhelmed by the active content. Way too exciting for me. I had to read the whole chapter to calm down. GA
HOST WPLC Dee R: lol
Recknor: Wow! Cyn, you really fill up a room!
HOST WPLC Dee R: share away, Cyn...
BluePseudoSkirt: That's all. And thanks for letting me catch my breath.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn please share before we take the next question
Cyncity 1: I keep pressing on new writers the importance of the first five chapters...yes, they are all important, but this relates to the hook
Cyncity 1: This is not said as bragging, but as info...one of the readers recommended a full read on chapter one alone...800 words of a 102k word novel...
In other words, make your first chapter GRAB! ga
Moochmail: I was going to ask about original first line also. The comparison was very helpful. Thanks! ga
Satin Puzzle: Both first lines are good and invite the reader in. The one you chose adds mystery, and shows the character a bit. It's excellent. ga
Cyncity 1: Satin...that's what it came down to...it's Amanda's book, let the first chapter show her/ga
PHeeren: I just finished my first children's book and my ?, to be honest with you, is have you ever done with children's stories? what do you read in order to write children's stories? do u base ur characters on real persons? ga
Cyncity 1: PH...I don't write children's stories...I'd probably scare them so bad they wouldn't sleep nights/ga
Cyncity 1: Oh..no, my characters are completely made up/ga
BluePseudoSkirt: I actually have a good friend who lived through such an accusation. I happen to know your setting is 100% authentic. Getting that research correct and included was quite a stunt.
Cyncity 1: Thanks Blue! I hate research.../ga
BluePseudoSkirt: But I wouldn't know the work was there if it weren't for my friend's situation so painfully described. That's all.
Cyncity 1: Blue...your friend sounds interesting.../ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: What do you think of starting out with dialogue as first sentences?
Cyncity 1: I love the idea Dee...but I am a dialog nut...I use it more than I should probably...more dialog the better IMO/ga
Trina Pink: Donna! Are you the one who gave her my chapter 1?! GA ;-)
HOST WPLC Lyric: lol
HOST WPLC Dee R: lol...not me!
HOST WPLC Lyric: Katrina's is pretty durn good all on her own!
Trina Pink: BTW, actually I noticed how clean your dialogue was. No tags, little description, very clear. GA
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyndia, can you tell us a little about your journey toward publication? some of your secrets?
Cyncity 1: Trina...with few people tags aren't needed as much as we think...let the actions and people do the talking and explaining/ga
Cyncity 1: One secret, never, ever give up...analyze constantly...listen to all advice...make your own decision and try again/ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: good advice
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyndia, I remember you in this group, and that you always did the critiques diligently. Do you feel the process of writing the critiques, doing the work for others helped your own writing efforts?
Cyncity 1: Lyric...immeasurably...I read all crits of all work and learned constantly. I knew nothing, absolutely nothing...but oh, boy...I wanted to learn...
Fjm3eyes: Do you think a good first sentence is the way to go? As opposed to the first paragraph or two? /GA
Cyncity 1: Always read crits, even if not for you...hear what the critter is saying and apply it to your work if it makes sense...if the critter is full of beans, ignore him/her/ga
Cyncity 1: Fj...I'd say something has to be interesting by the end of the second paragraph...a killer first sentence isn't essential, but something must happen to make me keep reading/ga
Lera al: How long did you work on this novel before it was accepted for publication? ga/
Cyncity 1: Lera...four years...four long, long years...but I started knowing nothing...if you have any writing experience, you will take less time/ga
Lightningbug1957: How long did it take you to get a publisher once your started to shop the novel and did you have an agent?
Cyncity 1: Lera...it isn't easy, so don't put time limits on yourself...it is more important to get it right/ga
Cyncity 1: Lightning...I honestly can't remember how long it took...maybe a year, but I was rewriting during that year...no agent, but lots of nibbles
Cyncity 1: Agents didn't like one plot point in the synopsis...I wouldn't change it...I was on my own/ga
Trina Pink: Lyric asked earlier about crits. Did you find it helpful to do crits for other authors? ga
Cyncity 1: Trina..very helpful...'how would I get that point across better' when a sentence is fuzzy...it's a constant exercise which I felt made me better/ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn, when you first got that initial criticism
HOST WPLC Lyric: how did it make you feel, and how long did it take for you to finally cave in to the criticism you received in writing to Publish?
Cyncity 1: My first crit killed me...then really made me POed...LOL
HOST WPLC Dee R: hope it wasn't one I wrote, lol...
Cyncity 1: I had two versions of chapter one, and was sending them both out...finally I picked one and stuck with it...It wasn't subbed anywhere, I just did it/ga
Cyncity 1: LOL
Schoonerben: it couldn't have been me I'm VERY sweet
HOST WPLC Lyric: The reason I ask is, do you think the hard, honest critiques helped or hurt, and would you have rather had the nicey nice critiques that only said, good job? ga
Cyncity 1: Lyric...NO! I would never want a 'nice' crit, unless it was how they felt...I did object to those I felt unnecessarily cruel...
HOST WPLC Lyric: Yes, we did have one person back then -- <sigh>
Cyncity 1: It's a simple matter to crit with humor and alternatives...easy peasy...why be mean?/ga
SarahStNy: Lera, On average, the first time author has worked a minimum of 5 years on their first novel. ga
Cyncity 1: I didn't know that stat Sarah...interesting...ga
Moochmail: Could you share a little about your writing processs - how much you plot, your daily writing plan, etc.? Thanks. ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: we're almost at capacity so some members may not be able to get back in
HOST WPLC Dee R: mooch asked a good question...
Cyncity 1: Mooch...I live with sticky notes...I don't outline...seat of the pants writer I guess...I can't write in short bursts but need long stretches of time...
Fjm3eyes: Why did you opt for no agent? Just wondering? GA
Cyncity 1: I didn't want to make the change they wanted...I'd rather it not be pubbed...my decision after a long talk with myself <G> /ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: Cyn, perhaps you should let them know that you WERE approached by agents, and that it was your choice
Cyncity 1: Lyric...after I rewrote my query, I had tons of nibbles...those who personalized rejections said the same thing...a plot point/ga
G1ft0fgabn0t: Cyndia, if you don't actually plot, do you at least have a general idea - conciously or subconciously - of what you want to write before you sit down at the keyboard? ga
Cyncity 1: G1...yes, I start with the ending and write to it...go figure/ga
BluePseudoSkirt: Could you share what change the agents all requested? The one you would not make. GA
Cyncity 1: No, Blue...but if you read it and still want to know, I'll be happy to tell you and I'd like to know if you agree/ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: before we go any further, what is YOUR question, Cyndia?
Cyncity 1: I'd like to hear some of your first lines...
Cyncity 1: If everyone's done with me, I'd rather talk about you <G>
HOST WPLC Lyric: we have a few more questions, so if people want to get their first lines out, while I call on the remaining people I'll ask for a group list in a moment
HOST WPLC Dee R: For most of Delilah McGee’s eleven-year-old life, the white painted flagpole in front of her house reached emptily toward the sky - except for today.
HOST WPLC Lyric: great line Donna
Lightningbug1957: If in life I could talk to the dead, why in death can I not talk to the living?
Cyncity 1: Lots of info in that Dee!
Recknor: "Many stories have been told about me, all of them wrong."
HOST WPLC Dee R: good or bad to have that info?
ESP Sue Z: "I've decided I rather enjoy being crazy."
Spiritswhispr: Silent footsteps fell in the snow behind her. She kept turning around and no one was there.
SarahStNy: In the winter of 1827, before truth ripped through my guts like one of Ma's physics, I was Robert Benton, or so I believed.
Cyncity 1: Good Dee...
Cyncity 1: Good one Spirit!/ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: great one Sarah!
Adorablady: Margaret Gray was no longer the abandoned seven-year old child left on the front step of the Bishop Street Orphanage.
HOST WPLC Sushi: Astride a desolate ridge, weaving among boulders decorated by hardy lichen, a line of soldiers moved.
Satin Puzzle: hmm..Leslie didn't want to leave her dreams; the nightmares came when she was awake.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Huddled high upon a narrow ledge above a dark street, Trina whimpered in the cold rain.
HOST WPLC Lyric: any other first line posts, GA
Cyncity 1: These are all good first lines!
Trina Pink: "911. What's your emergency?"
HOST WPLC Lyric: anyone I missed with a question ga now
Trina Pink: "He looked dead. But she'd fantasized her husband's death for so long that she didn't trust her eyes."
VikingQueen321: Brakes screeched as a car stopped on the driveway. A car door slammed. Footsteps creaked across the porch.
Cyncity 1: See...you guys already know this stuff! Why am I talking about this? LOL
HOST WPLC Lyric: I want to thank Cyndia for coming tonight. her book is called AMANDA's RIB and is available with Mundania press
HOST WPLC Dee R: These are some great, GREAT first sentences.
G1ft0fgabn0t: ? <~follow up
HOST WPLC Lyric: I'm switching to red so you can all see me
SarahStNy: Trina....good hook
G1ft0fgabn0t: You said you start with an ending. Do you also have a couple of characters in mind to work with? ga
Cyncity 1: G1...yes...I have the characters and a twist, although I'm not always sure how to get to the twist...
G1ft0fgabn0t: OR any other clues... ga
Adorablady: WOW... they are ALL good !!!
HOST WPLC Lyric: To read more about Cyndia Depre, her book, read her first chapter, and advice to writers, please go to her website: http://www.cyndiadepre.com/
HOST WPLC Lyric: And any day now, we'll be able to pre-order the book at a 15% savings direct from the publisher
Adorablady: Thank You Miss Cyndia.... great job.... and informative...!!
Cyncity 1: You guys have great first lines! Remember, keep that up for at least five chapters!
HOST WPLC Sushi: I'll put her book on our Buy Page, with the Amazon.com link
HOST WPLC Dee R: it was a good session.
Trina Pink: Wow, these ARE great first lines.
SarahStNy: They are accepting preorders now
HOST WPLC Lyric: Mundania Press LLC -- Extraordinary Book Publishers -- Amanda's Rib
Satin Puzzle: Great job, Cyn! Thanks.
Cyncity 1: Are they Sarah????
Trina Pink: I couldn't figure out how, Sarah.
Cyncity 1: Thanks all...It was a pleasure to see you all!
Moochmail: The best writing chat I've been in, Cyn!
HOST WPLC Dee R: <<<<whistles, stomps feet in appreciation to Cyn>>>>>>>>
Cyncity 1: Ahhh Mooch....
Cyncity 1: LOL
HOST WPLC Lyric: Please support our member by buying the book and also by calling your local library and asking them to buy it!
G1ft0fgabn0t: Great session! Please come back soon!!!
Satin Puzzle: Cyn, there were 33 in here..<G>
Trina Pink: This was a great session, Cyn! thanks SO much!!
SarahStNy: through PayPal
Recknor: Good going, Cyn!!!!
SarahStNy: email the press
Cyncity 1: Gads...I was so nervous I didn't notice Satin
HOST WPLC Lyric: Remember we'll all hopefully be in Cyndia's shoes and asking for everyone else's support!
Lightningbug1957: Dion just wrote and said he tried to get in but couldn't - wanted to apologize
HOST WPLC Lyric: Standing ovation <><><><><><><><><><>
Cyncity 1: Thank you! You guys are very polite!
Trina Pink: It was particularly nice to hear from somebody who could tell us that we really ARE using our time well here. LOL. ;-)
HOST WPLC Dee R: This is the largest number of people we've had for one of these, so it's not just being polite, Cyn
Adorablady: It is hard work..... !!
Cyncity 1: Why couldn't he get in? Too bad...I think I remember leon
Trina Pink: Nope. Not polite here!
HOST WPLC Lyric: I think our room only holds up to 33
BluePseudoSkirt: Polite has nothing to do with it.
G1ft0fgabn0t: You can say that again, Katrina <G>
Lera al: I thought the room would explode...
Moochmail: Yes, Cyn, we're not just being polite!
Cyncity 1: Heavens...really Dee?
HOST WPLC Dee R: good to hear from an statesperson W2P member
HOST WPLC Lyric: it was a capacity crowd
Trina Pink: LOL...I love it Gab...you got the joke.
HOST WPLC Dee R: oh yes...you've attracted quite the crowd here
Hillwithit: I had to stand in back, peek around the hot dog vendor.
SarahStNy: great job Cyn
Satin Puzzle: lol HIll
Trina Pink: ROFL, Hill!
Cyncity 1: Thanks Sarah...
HOST WPLC Lyric: lol, get me one while you're over there Hill!
Adorablady: It is nice to recognize one of our own... and the great job she did..!!
LGVernon: There were hotdogs???and you didn't tell me!!
BrownDvs: Agreed, great job Cyn-eater.
Recknor: Mustard and relish for me, Hill!
G1ft0fgabn0t: I'll take one with everything on it!
Lera al: Gosh, more hotdogs!!
Cyncity 1: Thanks again....now congrats to YOU...you all have killer first lines!
Trina Pink: Sauerkraut and dijon for me.
BluePseudoSkirt: Chicago style please.
Hillwithit: Reck - your hot dog would have be an award-winning one, with a championship heritiage.
HOST WPLC Dee R: Paul ate them all.
ESP Sue Z: Great inspiration, Cyn - thanks!!!
Recknor: This is true, hill.
G1ft0fgabn0t: ROFLOL Donna
Trina Pink: Hey yeah! Now to finish the next five chapters in the same inspired mode. No sweat.
Cyncity 1: Welcome Sue!
Lera al: lol trina!
Cyncity 1: LOL Trina!
Moochmail: Now I'm hungry. LoL
G1ft0fgabn0t: They're all good, Katrina ;)
Satin Puzzle: I especially like that you emphasized it's work and constant learning, Cyn. And it pays off.
Cyncity 1: Satin...so true...many don't realize it
Lightningbug1957: Sry - what is our room capacity?
Cyncity 1: But if you love it, it's not really work...it's growth
Adorablady: LEARN.. LEARN... LEARN.... is the key...!!
SarahStNy: I just wanted to mention, many excerpts of first chapters are available on line. I read as many as I can
HOST WPLC Sushi: <-- gives away his portion of sauerkraut
Recknor: Sarah, is that true? About the average writer taking 5 years to write the first book?
HOST WPLC Lyric: well, all of you are welcome to stay and discuss more until Cyndia collapses
Trina Pink: <--take's Sushi's sauerkraut.
HOST WPLC Lyric: We hosts have a bit of business tonight, so we'll say, once again, thank you to Cyndia
ESP Sue Z: Cyn that one line I mentioned (we only need to WANT to understand) is valuable - I never thought about it exactly that way before - this was a major breakthrough for me.
HOST WPLC Lyric: and congratulations on the book
HOST WPLC Lyric: and oh, HAPPY BIRTHDAY CYNDIA!!!!!
Trina Pink: Well, good night. Thanks Lyric, Donna, Paul for all you do~!
Trina Pink: Adam too.
Spiritswhispr: cyn how many copies are they going to run on your first edition?
HOST WPLC Dee R: I need to take off...night gang, and next week, we have Connie on the griddle.
Moochmail: Thanks, Lyric & Sushi!
Lera al: Great job, Sry
HOST WPLC Lyric: Great way to spend your birthday, huh gang?
Moochmail: And Dee!
MoonCat25: I know I've been really quiet tonight, but I enjoyed and learned a lot from tonight's session..
Lera al: Happy Birthday Cyndia
HOST WPLC Dee R: Oh, Cyn...happy birthday...
Moochmail: Cyndia - Happy Birthday!!
Cyncity 1: So glad Sue...it is a very important concept IMO
HOST WPLC Sushi: thanks and I'll light the candles
Lera al: Griddle???
HOST WPLC Lyric: And everyone please get in those final critiques for Connie!
MoonCat25: Great job Cyndia!
HOST WPLC Dee R: 8-)
ESP Sue Z: I'll be ordering the book ASAP -- and remember -- this will be the FIRST mystery I have ever bought in my life!
Adorablady: Is it your birthday Cyn...?
Trina Pink: Agree with ESP. "want to understand." Never thought of that before.
Cyncity 1: THanks!
Hillwithit: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Cyn, and congratulations!
HOST WPLC Dee R: night all
HOST WPLC Lyric: Goodnight all
Cyncity 1: night hosts....
Trina Pink: LOL, Sue!
G1ft0fgabn0t: Many happy returns, Cyn
Lera al: Good night everyone!
ESP Sue Z: yep - Happy Birthday from me, too Cyn!
Schoonerben: great session almost pumpkin time for me nite all :-)
Satin Puzzle: Happy Birthday, Cyn.
G1ft0fgabn0t: Niters' everyone. Great session. See y'all next week. *s*
LGVernon: Never say 'returns' in the book business.
Adorablady: Thank you Hosts...!!
Trina Pink: Geez...people dropping like flies, and there's still 21 of us.
Trina Pink: 20
Trina Pink: 19
Cyncity 1: Thanks everyone...you were very interesting!
ESP Sue Z: G 'nite all -- see ya!
Beccastrat: This was a full room tonight.
Recknor: thanks, Cyn!
Adorablady: Hugs.... sweetie... nice job...
Beccastrat: Thanks Cyn! Goodnight everyone!
Trina Pink: Nice job indeed.
Cyncity 1: I taught Reck all she knows...heh heh heh
ESP Sue Z: heh - you were interesting, too, Cyn - packed the room and held us spellbound :)
BluePseudoSkirt: Cyn, you are the most polite author ever.
1/24/05 8:02:56 PM Closing "Chat Log 1/24/05"
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